Prabhupada: ...German center, (Bengali) in the United States.

Sridhara Maharaj: Three in America.

Prabhupada: Three in America.

Sridhara Maharaj: Another three, Another...?

Prabhupada: Another three in Europe.

Sridhara Maharaj: Three in Europe. Six.

Prabhupada: One in India.

Sridhara Maharaj: India, one.

Prabhupada: Yes. (Aside) (Bengali) Why you are keeping there?

Sridhara Maharaj: India, one. Seven.

Prabhupada: Seven. And Africa, one.

Sridhara Maharaj: One.

Prabhupada: Eight.

Sridhara Maharaj: That will be at. (eight)

Prabhupada: And one, Australia.

Sridhara Maharaj: Australia.

Prabhupada: New Zealand.

Sridhara Maharaj: Nine, New Zealand eka. (one)

Prabhupada: And one...

Bhavananda: Canada.

Prabhupada: Canada.

Devotee: Africa and South America.

Bhavananda: Ah, yes, South America.

Prabhupada: South America. What part?

Sridhara Maharaj: South America. South America, kon jaegaeta (?)

Bhavananda: Australia and Southeast Asia also.

Prabhupada: Argentina.

Sridhara Maharaj: Argentina.

Devotee: And Japan. Japan.

Prabhupada: Japan includes now...

Devotee: Western United States.

Prabhupada: Western.

Bhavananda: Western United States?

Prabhupada: Yes. Including Hawaii and Japan. Japane lokera...

Sridhara Maharaj: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Russiate, there is big loka. I have got a student there. They are very much strict about religious things. When I went to Moscow...

Sridhara Maharaj: Well, reaction will come.

Prabhupada: Reaction already come. They do not...

Sridhara Maharaj: Sure to come... Reaction, reaction.

Prabhupada: So they found one of my Bhagavad-gita in the immigration. So immediately he called police. (laughs) Then he, he examined. He allowed, "All right, it is all right. It is such a rubbish." But they are not very happy country, as they advertise.

Sridhara Maharaj: What is happiness? God is happiness.

Prabhupada: Now, apart from materially, they're poor.

Sridhara Maharaj: Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-dukha...

Prabhupada: This is...

Sridhara Maharaj: ...anudarcanam. So they are poor in intelligence. This is sattvic intelligence. Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-dukha-donanudarcanam [Bg. 13.9].

Prabhupada: Anudarcanam.

Sridhara Maharaj: Divide up higher kind of intelligence.

Prabhupada: The Russian professor...

Sridhara Maharaj: And the scientific fineness that is also in the jurisdiction of matter. But a more subtle and subtler knowledge is possible.

Prabhupada: Now we are presenting through two of my scientific students, Doctor of Chemistry, that matter is, the source of matter is spirit. This is our theory. Generally they believe the life, life comes from matter...

Sridhara Maharaj: Life comes from matter.

Prabhupada: Matter. But we, we are presenting, "No, matter comes from life."

Sridhara Maharaj: Apparently. This is not appropriate. This is Vedanta. Vedanta...

Prabhupada: Janmadyasya yatau.

Sridhara Maharaj: I said that just examine the healthy body. This material world is an excema expect(?) in the healthy body.

Prabhupada: Yes. Material, material atmosphere means diseased condition.

Sridhara Maharaj: Diseased condition, very negligent or diseased condition, very negligent part, forming very negligent part of the whole, this material world, where creation and dissolution is compulsory.

Prabhupada: Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19].

Sridhara Maharaj: Creation and the dissolution is compulsory. That is a negligent portion of the real universe.

Prabhupada: ekamsena.

Sridhara Maharaj: Otherwise, if a major portion of a body is bad, then that cannot stand. So the major portion of the universe must be healthy, wholesome. And the negligent part is the diseased portion. That is the world, where the majority lives.

Prabhupada: One fourth part.

Sridhara Maharaj: The, the possession of Satan. It is under possession of Satan. Satan means having vikrta-jnana. That is misunderstanding. Misunderstanding is perverted. Misunderstanding is set out. Understanding is there, but it is perverted.

Prabhupada: dehatma - budhih.

Sridhara Maharaj: Dehatma...

Prabhupada: Dehatma-buddhi.

Sridhara Maharaj: Dehatma-buddhi. Rather, rather the enjoying principles, offensive.

Prabhupada: Sense gratification.

Sridhara Maharaj: Enjoying mood. That is the basis of this. And mood of renunciation. That is a vapor state. That is nothing only. And the real life is the life of self dedication and service. And the service not of any part. Or service not for any part which is like me, but for the whole, for the Divinity. As Krsna says in Gita,

athava bahunaitena

kià jïätena tavärjuna

viñöabhyäham idaà kåtsnam

ekäàçena sthito jagat

[Bg. 10.42]

Who lies, whose bed is infinite. Çeñäçrita, Ananta. Infinite gathered together. And though He seems to, to have a figure, but figure that, that sort of figure which can contain many, many number of infinite of our conception. Kåñëa is a figure talking with Arjuna, a limited figure, but Viçvarüpa emerged from Him. How? A big Viçvarüpa emerged from a limited figure? So such limited figure, that is God. Våndävana. Våndävana has been described as only sixty..., say...

Prabhupäda: Eighty-four miles.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Thirty two miles. Thirty-two miles.

Prabhupäda: Somebody says eighty-four.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Äöhär-kroça (?) Våndävana,

Prabhupäda: Ah, Saloka. (?)

Çrédhara Mahäräja: ...thirty-two miles. But Paravyoma, which is to be understood as Vaikuëöha, means infinite, many of the paravyomas is accommodated there within that thirty-two miles area. Square miles area, or something like that. That, we must be conversant with that sort of understanding. Any number of length of rope coming, but only two fingers less. Only two fingers less. Another big rope added. Again that two fingers less. This is all categorical principles. We have to be acquainted with. Then we shall go to read Bhägavatam or to... (Bengali)

Prabhupäda: Drive the flies.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: How it is possible. Eka vigraha täìra ananta svarüpa. In one figure, He accommodates numberless of figures. Eka vigraha täìra ananta svarüpa. But all these appear to be real and it will be shown to them who has got real çraddhä. Çraddhämayo ’yaà lokaù. The world of faith. And that is substantial, not imaginary. What we say to be concrete, that will be reduced to ashes and imaginary. It will evaporate, both the scientists, material scientists, as well as the åñis. But this will evaporate one day with sun, moon, everything. This will evaporate, but that subtle thing stands forever. Çraddhämayo ’yaà lokaù. The experience of the region of faith stands forever, undisturbed. The world of experience is evaporating every second. And for the being who is dying every moment, every second dying, the what is to be told to us to be reality, that is, means dying every second. That sort of reality is given to us by these great persons of the present universe, big scientists, and big leaders of the knowledge(?) world. In India there is a saying that once a big mountain, he he or she expressed that she will produce a child. Parvate müñika bhave. She has got fame just before producing child. Then the people thought, "Oh, what a big child must come when the big mountain, she feels pain to produce a..." Eh?

Prabhupäda: Labor pain.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Labor... "Then a big child must come." At last it was seen that a mice, a mouse was produced. So the big, giants of the present world, so-called leaders of the scholars...

Prabhupäda: Scientists.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: ...scholars, with world, they are producing like a mouse. That is a dying substance, in this form or that form.

Prabhupäda: Punaù punaç carvita-carvaëänäm [SB 7.5.30].

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Ah, this is sheer deception, a deception to be a challenge to the real thinkers. We should abhorrently throw it out at once. It is within the boundary of janma-måtyu-jarä-vyädhi [Bg. 13.9]. Throw it off.

Prabhupäda: So I, I try to impress upon them this fact, that this Kåñëa consciousness movement is a challenge for this deception. They’re simply deceived.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: All sorts of deception. Even Vaikuëöha. Paravyome (Bengali) And the calculation, even they, the self is, a sort of calculation comes between the, the servitor and the object of service, then also it throws us down. In Kåñëa consciousness, that sort of calculation is also absurd. Where there is love, there cannot be any calculation. It is autonomous. Autonomous anuräga. Cultivate, do. No sort of calculation of any benefit. The calculation disturbs autonomy.

Prabhupäda: (Bengali) Goloka-nämni nija-dhämni tale ca tasya devé-maheça-hari-dhäma... [Bs. 5.43]. (Bengali) About our temple contemplation, it will be almost a skyscraper building.

Bhavänanda: Will be.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Eh?

Prabhupäda: Skyscraper building in temple shape, with four divisions. Goloka-nämni nija-dhämni tale ca tasya devé-maheça... [Bs. 5.43]. So Maheça-dhäma, how it will be depicted? Pärvaté-wise. (?)

Çrédhara Mahäräja: It has been already described by Sanätana Gosvämé in Båhad-Bhägavatämåtam. After crossing Brahmaloka,

Prabhupäda: There is Maheça-dhäma, in between.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Maheça-dhäma. And the devotee, Çiva is devotee.

Prabhupäda: Yes, everyone is... Çiva’s devotional prayer is there in Fourth Canto, about the four sons. What are those?

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Devé-dhäma. Virajä to virajä, nirviçeña. The last conception or the highest conception of Devé-dhäma is what are the conception of virajä; prakåti ends there... Then begins...

Prabhupäda: Käraëa, käraëärëava.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Käraëa, käraëärëava. Then it begins Brahmaloka, the halo of the spiritual world.

Prabhupäda: Effulgence. Yes.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Spiritual world. And that is also some, some, somewhat nirviçeña. And then, after crossing that, the Çiva is on the other, higher side or he is in lower side. That is differentiation...

Prabhupäda: Çiva is...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Differentiation on two sides is Çiva. This side also, Master of Devé, and this side also. He is searching after something and when the differentiated world ends in Brahmaloka, there also Çiva is devotee. This side, Çiva is a yogé. He’s searching after. And then, there, he’s going to meet Näräyaëa, to face (indistinct).

Prabhupäda: Both sides, he’s a devotee.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: This side, he’s not such a devotee. But that is pure devotee on the other side, Vaikuëöha.

Prabhupäda: Ah. Sadäçiva.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Sadäçiva, Mahä-viñëu. On the other side, he’s a devotee. Vaiñëavänäà yathä çambhuù.

Prabhupäda: Mahä-viñëu and Sadäçiva, the same.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Same.

Prabhupäda: Advaitäcärya.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Advaitäcärya. On the other side. and this side, sometimes revolving. The other day, I told a gentlemen that Çiva is rather the leader of the opposition party.

Prabhupäda: Yes, in Dakña-yajïa, that is the curse.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: In Dakña-yajïa and in many a place, many demons is encouraged by him. We find.

Prabhupäda: But when Pracetäs, Pracetäs, they met Çiva...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: That, that is that Çiva, devotee Çiva.

Prabhupäda: Oh, they...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Märkaëòeya also in Bhägavatam, Märkaëòeya worshiped Çiva. But that is the devotee Çiva. It is clearly mentioned in Bhägavatam. Märkaëòeya’s worshiping Çiva. But that Çiva is the pure devotee of Näräyaëa.

Prabhupäda: Pracetäs, Çiva, the Pracetäs met in this material world or in the spiritual world? They met in the material world.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: I can’t remember that particular... But Çiva, this side also Çiva, in the nirviçeña, on the lower side of the nirviçeña is also Çiva, and the higher side of the nirviçeña is also Çiva. Then Näräyaëa.

Prabhupäda: Here, he’s Bhütanätha, leaders of the atheistic-class of men.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Atheistic class. And his paraphernalia is Nandibhåìgi, bhüta, and his, and his eldest son is Vinäyaka, and he misguided... The leader of the misguided, Vinäyaka, Gaëeça.

Prabhupäda: Oh, Vinäyaka. Vi-gata...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Vinäyaka. Not proper näyaka. Vikåta-näyakaù.

Prabhupäda: Vikåta-näyakaù.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Vinäyanikapamode-çuddha-prabhu, (?) that are protected by Kåñëa, and they, they...

Prabhupäda: But in Brahma-saàhitä Gaëeça is described: vighna-näça.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Vighna-näça, but with the help of Nåsiàhadeva on his kumbha.

Prabhupäda: Oh, I see. Yat-päda-pallava-yugaà vinidhäya.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: With the help of His lotus feet, he’s able to... Otherwise, he’s Vinäyaka.

Prabhupäda: (laughs) Vinäyaka. Gaëeça.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: (Bengali) posasas ca...

Prabhupäda: Misleader.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Misleader, misguider, Gaëeça, his eldest son. And he give support, Çiva. Just as C.R. Das, he encouraged the Subash Bose and the other members of opposition party but he himself was a little common person.

Prabhupäda: So, Satsvarüpa Mahäräja, how do you like this place?

Satsvarüpa: Very transcendental.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: (Bengali) Çrutakérti, where is Çrutakérti?

Prabhupäda: Here is Çrutakérti.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: His health, you have to arrange what will be...

Prabhupäda: Çrutakérti wants to serve you, provided you go with us, USA (laughter) He says, "If Mahäräja goes with us, then I shall take care of him."

Çrédhara Mahäräja: In another life. Some other life. (laughter)

Prabhupäda: Ne. (Bengali)

Indian: (Bengali)

Çrédhara Mahäräja: (Bengali conversation continues for some time) (Devotee shows some vegetables)

Prabhupäda: Oh, paöal is there? Oh. (Bengali conversation with a little English, talking about success of the movement around the world, which vegetables to eat during Cäturmäsya and other topics for some minutes)

Prabhupäda: How within five or six years...?

Çrédhara Mahäräja: (Bengali) The intellectual barrier has been crossed and from there, it is being extended to this mundane world of ours. (Bengali)

Prabhupäda: One intelligent boy, you have heard his name, George Harrison, he’s one of the greatest musicians at the present moment, of the world. I think so, eh?

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupäda: George Harrison. So he’s becoming, he’s very intelligent, so he’s becoming interested. Now recently he has given us a house in London which is fifty-five lakhs.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: (Bengali)

Prabhupäda: Which is worth two hundred thousand pounds. Two hundred thousand pounds ordinarily, it is forty lakhs. And in the market value, because pound is selling in India thirty, twenty-eight, at least twenty-five, in that way...[break]

(Bengali conversation for some time)

Prabhupäda: ...Bhaktivedanta Book Fund account (Bengali). "Five thousand dollars. You take advance. Deposit. And take my orders." So I gave him order, "Books worth fifty-two thousands of dollars, advancing five thousand dollars." And they gradually supplied to India. And from U.S.A. we gradually, little by little, we paid. So that became the asset, of books. And I advised them that "You go and present these books to respectable gentlemen to become a member, and they’ll become." And actually that plan became successful. Now the same members, they have not only paid eleven hundred. Now some of them, they’re paying eleven thousand. Recently one gentleman belonging to the Birla family... Eh?

Bhavänanda: L. M. Birla.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: The other day, the family came there and Jagan(?) went there...

Prabhupäda: No, no. Another family. They came to our Calcutta center. In how many motors they came?

Bhavänanda: Seventeen.

Prabhupäda: Seventeen motor cars, whole family. And after seeing the Deity they presented a check for eleven thousand rupees. So by Kåñëa’s grace, money is coming. There is no scarcity. And they are spending here in Mäyäpura. So with that five hundred, five thousand dollars, whatever asset is Indian now, that is from five thousand...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Also you have proved also that capital is on the other world. Capital is also... So it is being supplied.

Prabhupäda: Now, these books suppliers, Dai Nippon, they give us credit up to $200,000. $200,000, in our Indian exchange, it is twenty lakhs of rupees. So they give us credit. We take books from them and distribute and then pay. In this way, it is going on. In Los Angeles alone we are selling... How many books daily?

Devotee: Two thousand, maybe. Fifteen hundred a day.

Prabhupäda: Two thousand pieces, and the collection is about eight thousand dollars, no, eight hundred dollars. Eight hundred dollars. So they’re very anxiously taking our books. A new literature. They have no such idea, what is God, what is bhakti. How they can be explained. Our Bhagavad-gétä As It Is, publisher MacMillan, within one year... Last August they, the first edition. And... Not yet August. By this time, they have finished two editions and the third edition is in the press. That will be available in July.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Edition of a very number...,

Prabhupäda: Fifty thousand.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Fifteen thousand.

Prabhupäda: Fifty. Five, zero.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Marvelous success.

Prabhupäda: And Bhägavata also, we have got six volumes. So people purchase the whole set, sixty dollars. Sixty dollars for the whole set? No? How much?

Çrutakérti: They sell it for thirty dollars.

Prabhupäda: Thirty dollars, yes. So this is very encouraging that our books are... (Bengali) The books are selling like anything, these books.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Hotcakes. (laughter)

Prabhupäda: Hotcakes, yes. We are ordering to Dai Nippon, because they are giving us facilities, 100,000 copies each. And distributed all over the world. The whole world, Australia... The whole... Australia is English-speaking. Whole America is English-speaking. England, English-speaking. And Europe also, half, English-speaking. India, more than half, English-speaking. So in this way, English literatures, worldwide circulation we are getting. And besides that, we have published in German language, in Spanish language. Just yesterday I received Spanish Back to Godhead. People are liking it very much. So here is something.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Who is in charge of this publication?

Prabhupäda: Publication... I have made one Trust, Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Who is the leader?

Prabhupäda: I am there, and one, my sannyäsé çiñya, Bali-mardana.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Where is that Bali-mardana?

Prabhupäda: Bali-mardana. Bali-mardana and another, Karandhara däsa Adhikäré. So actually he’s the manager, Karandhara däsa Adhikäré. He is looking after.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: At America.

Prabhupäda: In Los Angeles. He’s very intelligent boy. He knows everything. He knows accounts, He knows how to construct building. He knows how to manage. He knows how to publish. Everything.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Versatile.

Prabhupäda: Versatile, yes. And he’s not very old. And he wants to take sannyäsa also. He’s a gåhastha, he has got a child. And: "Just wait. We shall arrange for your... You are already sannyäsé." He lives apart from his wife. So he’s very nice boy.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: So I do not have here one copy, regularly.

Prabhupäda: Oh, why, why not Back to Godhead?

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Last time I requested, but they have forgotten.

Prabhupäda: It is...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: (Bengali) Once letter to me that in Benares Candraçekhara and Navadvépa Candraçekhara, uncle. The Benares Candraçekhara, the lekha çüdra, and the Mahäprabhu’s maternal uncle Candraçekhara Äcärya...

Prabhupäda: Candraçekhara, yes.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Eh? ...Has been misplaced.

Prabhupäda: Oh, Candraçekhara Äcärya and çüdra...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: And Candraçekhara...

Prabhupäda: Where?

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Has been told to be this Candraçekhara, a servant Candraçekhara.

Prabhupäda: Benares Candraçekhara was a vaidya.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Vaidya.

Prabhupäda: And he is...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: This is... Uncle,

Prabhupäda: Uncle, uncle. In Back to Godhead, you have seen it. Maybe.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: So much clear conception in such a small period of time, that they have acquired. This is a marvelous thing. The Dämodara also, ISKCON has said in such a way, this Dämodara Svarüpa and the Paëòita Dämodara. Generally, these are for public, but minute reader only can differentiate.

Prabhupäda: Dämodara. Svarüpa Dämodara and Dämodara Paëòita.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Dämodara Paëòita. Two different, but one is Lalitä. Another is a maïjaré of Candrävalé, Paëòita Dämodara.

Prabhupäda: Opposite party.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Opposite party. And this is the leader of this party, and he...

Prabhupäda: How they came together? Caitanyäkhyäà prakaöam adhunä.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Bon Mahäräja once misplaced that very...

Prabhupäda: In which book?

Çrédhara Mahäräja: In this...

Prabhupäda: Eh? In which book. Or he spoke in a speech or what?

Çrédhara Mahäräja: In speech must be, but...

Prabhupäda: But he hasn’t got many books.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: No. One "Paramo Dharma" in Bengali, and "First year in England," "Second year in England," in this way...

Prabhupäda: That is not a...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: One (indistinct) in German language.

Prabhupäda: Eh?

Çrédhara Mahäräja: What is there, I do not know. "First Year in England." "My First Year in England." "My Second Year in England." And it was very disgusted to Prabhupäda, this...

Prabhupäda: Prabhupäda, yes.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: And his servant.

Prabhupäda: And therefore he was called back.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Nothing, "I met that such and such person on such and such date. I met on that... I, that is one lecture there." Everything: "I, I, I..."

Prabhupäda: And there was a picture: "Swamiji is playing on harmonium."

Çrédhara Mahäräja: And Tértha Mahäräja is trying a, feed (be?) a pigeon or something like that, and staring... These were the pictures while London preaching. And the money...

Prabhupäda: So our present Tértha Mahäräja, Bhakti-Viläsa-Tértha Mahäräja, he’s representing Prabhupäda. At least, he tries to pose himself. So Bon Mahäräja’s activities, in comparison to that, my activities certainly better. And Bon Mahäräja was given so much reception. But he did not give me any reception. How he can claim to be Prabhupäda’s representative?

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Bon Mahäräja was given reception because Prabhupäda...

Prabhupäda: No, Prabhupäda appreciated anyway.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Anyway.

Prabhupäda: But here there is no appreciation.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: He’s representing, he’s representing the mission, he thinks. He thinks so, but he’s so poor in his preaching capacity that he cannot accommodate any other in his camp than him and Vinohe(?). I heard a story of Maharashtra. In old days, there was a good king who encouraged the paëòitas very much. And he had got in his assembly a scholar, one Balaräma. He always looked after this, that. No paëòita can have any entrance to that Mahäräja. And he professed himself to be, he is the biggest paëòita in the land. So once Kälidäsa... At the time of Kälidäsa. Kälidäsa, when he heard, then he found a plan. And went to that paëòita, that "I a poor brähmaëa. I want some, some sort of money from the king. You are all in..."

Prabhupäda: Recommend.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: "Please recommend me." "Oh, yes. And then what sort of scholarship you have got? Do you..., can you compose any poem?" "Yes. I can." "Then do it." Then: uttiñöhottiñöha bhü-räjan mukhaà prakñälaya atha, roditi na ghare kukurana vaidyuhi na vaidyo hi.(?) This stanza. What is the meaning? (laughs) The uttiñöhottiñöha räjan. "Oh King,..."

Prabhupäda: "Get up."

Çrédhara Mahäräja: "Wake up, wake up. Get up." bhü-räjan mukhaà prakñälaya atha. "And..."

Prabhupäda: Wash up.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: "...cleanse your mouth. Wash your mouth." And ta what is this ta? "Well, keep it in your hand." Roditi na ghare kukura... "The ta must come here." Roditi na ghare kukura ta mughi. "That ta is placed there in advance, that ta must come here." Roditi na ghare kukura ta. "But for the caëòa, and it has been removed there. And that one word, the place was empty. So this ta has been positioned, has been placed there." Roditi na ghare kukura. "And what is this Ca vai tu ki, ca vai tu ki? No." "This is ca-vai-tu-ki, all these letters only to pada, for pada püraëa. So this fourth pada, I could not fill up. So these four things have been placed here." ca vai tu ki, "Oh, that’s very good I’ll put it to the king."

Prabhupäda: He saw it is very intelligent.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: "How, how a scholar I am I! I wrote this is the specimen of other scholars." (Bengali—recites some verses) And this sort of poems was produced by him in the court. The king was charmed. This man was perplexed. So Tértha Mahäräja (?) is like Balaräma. And he, and he...

Prabhupäda: Nobody should be allowed. (laughter)

Çrédhara Mahäräja: And when he find man comes around him, then he will be nowhere to the... He’s, he’s, he’s knows one thing, that Haritaki. You know that story of Haritaki.

Prabhupäda: Yes. (Laughs)

Çrédhara Mahäräja: He knows this canar-dharma. (?)

Prabhupäda: Yes.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Canar-dharma is everything to him, just as Haritaki to that fabulous Kaviräja. (Bengali)

Çrédhara Mahäräja: And he has got one thing, I...

Prabhupäda: Yes. Tusarkanti (?) very much appreciates.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Whom?

Prabhupäda: No, this canar-dharma. Because that Gaura Mahäräja, you know.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Yes, I know.

Prabhupäda: He told me that he was given...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: He wanted election of Väsudeva Prabhu, Gaura Mahäräja and that Bhagavänänanda, but Paraçuräma. But anyhow, he escaped and he came to Tértha Mahäräja, his former relative, old Tértha Mahäräja, former relative. Then Tértha Mahäräja told him that "What about my guru?" "Well, if your guru on one side, another bullock in another side. And if you can plow and produce some crops, and that can be offered to Mahäprabhu, then your guru may have a path of relish." (laughs) See what Tértha Mahäräja says, "This is blasphemy." "No, it is true, but this is very cruel. But this is truth."

Prabhupäda: Yes.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: If he’s presently the pakka Mäyävädé, if he’s used passively by a great man then only in that way he can come this side. Not in front walking. Not by front walking. Only by back drawing, he can be taken to this side only. It is quite true. That... So Cinmayänanda. Now Gaura Mahäräja, he knows me better, and he, he’s a paid Goswami of those Patrikä persons.

Prabhupäda: Yes.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: And they are exploiting him. He’s exploiting them.

Prabhupäda: This time, in their meeting, they made me chief guest. But I did not attend.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: That’s a lower position.

Prabhupäda: In, in a big meeting, they made me chief guest.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: He wants to show, so that, "I have got..."

Prabhupäda: That, that...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: ... such big man.

Prabhupäda: Oàkäranätha...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Was president, was made president.

Prabhupäda: And that uh...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: And yourself, Mädhava Mahäräja and Tértha Mahäräja invited to be vice-President. I heard.

Prabhupäda: Oh. Mädhava Mahäräja went there.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Went there.

Prabhupäda: Yes. He lectured. And I did not go.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: And Tértha Mahäräja did not go.

Prabhupäda: I do not know. Tértha Mahäräja did not go?

Bhavänanda: They were made Vice-presidents, but Çréla Prabhupäda was asked to be chief speaker.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Once when I was in a hut here, then Änandamaëi came to Navadvépa, and one devotee, Mano-raïjana, he wanted to bring Änandamaëi here. I refused, that "I won’t be able to pay any respect to her. She’s a pakka Mäyävädé." I, I saw that she, with a cow in her back and with the flute...

Prabhupäda: Yes, there is a picture like that.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Picture. So it is abhorrent. I refused that I won’t, however she may be... She was not so great as she is now famous but I refused. What I need for him, for her? Hare Kåñëa. Tértha Mahäräja is of this type, this type. I had one Sanskrit çloka devoted to Prabhupäda: Gauré-gaìga-taöe nava-braja navadvépe tu mäyäpure çré caitanyam atha prakäça-kamaru jévaika-kalanaudhi, çré-siddhänta-sarasvatéti milito gauré gurvanyaiù bhartur amriba prabhäta gagane rüpänuga-püjitau.(?) Siddhanthi, (Bengali) He told the composer of this poem, "He has got not a place in the maöha of Prabhupäda." Who can praise him in such a poem, "He cannot, he has no place...,"

Prabhupäda: Place.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: "...of accommodation in his own, in the maöha of Prabhupäda." (Bengali) Adåñöi-parihäsa. What will be the English expression? Adåñöi-parihäsa. Kasno...

Prabhupäda: Desire.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: I have got another çloka. That is, that will be very effective to have a clear conception of Prabhupäda’s mission. Nikhilo bhuvana-mayacchino vicchino karteji vivhala bahuta mukti mohan tadatri, siti-liti-vidhi rädhä rädhä-rädhe sädhane vilasatu dviji taà bhaktisiddhänta väëé. (?)

Prabhupäda: Äpnära composition.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: A clear picture of Prabhupäda’s mission. Visi siti mayachinna vichinna kartr. And vibudha bahula vimudhe means scholars. Vibudha bahula vigdha mukti mohana dart asiti...

Prabhupäda: The mohan.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Eh?

Prabhupäda: The mukti (Bengali conversation continues with Sanskrit verses praising Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté) ...garden like this, surrounding. Like I see so many fruit trees.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Ah, yes. Do it gradually. And the more beautiful, they will do it in their time.

Prabhupäda: Eh? This is very beautiful species.

Çrutakérti: Yes, big birds and...

Prabhupäda: Eh?

Devotee: Engineer was saying that if we have a big tree around the building, then it blocks the view of the building. We will make such beautiful building and no one will see it through the trees.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: What does he say?

Prabhupäda: If we cover with gardens, big, big trees, then the beautiful building will be covered. So therefore he wants to keep it barren. (laughter)

Devotee: That is how the engineer always sees his engineering.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: You see, Våndävanam, Gauravanam, the vegetable class is not eliminated. They have got their part to play, and that is not to be neglected. At night... At night...

Prabhupäda: I think, Mahäräja, after your coming here, all these trees have grown.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Only these trees...

Prabhupäda: Only the mango tree I remember...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Others have grown. At night in the forest pastimes, holding a principal part of the Kåñëa-lélä. And when pasturing the cows, then also, forest is necessary. So it will arouse in your mind the memory of Våndävana and the Gauravana. They have got their part to play. And what Uddhava says? (Sanskrit) "I aspire after the birth of a shrub or creeper or a grass in this land because I may have chance of being, having been tread by Your, those divine damsels. Then their feet dust will be on me." So that is a necessary and important part, this vegetable kingdom.

Prabhupäda: Yes.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: ...of Våndävana and Gauravana. They will arouse in your mind the first real memory of Kåñëa and His pastimes.

Prabhupäda: Yes.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: And help you, help you. Green. (Sanskrit) But real sabuja is there in Våndävana, the source of all sabuja. This sabuja will die, will be dried out.

Prabhupäda: Wither away.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: The source of real sabuja, kiçora sabuja, constant sabuja, constant greenness, is only there, kiçora. Nitya kaisore sthiti. Eh?

Prabhupäda: (Bengali)

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Everyone is a kiçora. Kiçora means youth. (Bengali)

Prabhupäda: Pre-youth.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Pre-youth.

Prabhupäda: Pre-youthtime, kiçora.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Pre-youthtime. And there it stands. (Bengali)

Prabhupäda: Have we got bael nuts also, with our garden?

Devotee: Separate.

Prabhupäda: Oh, separate. Yes, bael nut is separate. That police officer, Ashe(?), district magistrate...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Was re-elected. (Bengali) ...on the real basis of this downpour of the civilized people here. (Bengali conversation for some time)

Prabhupäda: If you manufacture one palanquin... Palanquin. You know palanquin? Then sometimes you can carry Çrédhara Mahäräja there. Yes. It will be great service and benefit for you. Because he’s, he’s very now...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Feeble.

Prabhupäda: Feeble now. So palanquin is all right. He can be carried in palanquin.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Hare Kåñëa.

Prabhupäda: Now, this is the palanquin.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: It will be a ludicrous exhibit, sitting demonstration...

Prabhupäda: No, why? All aristocratic kings, they were carried by palanquin.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Yes, it was previously.

Prabhupäda: And...

Çrédhara Mahäräja: Now the motor car has taken place and the more advanced...

Prabhupäda: Motor, motor, there is jerking.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: ...helicopter.

Prabhupäda: Now, now we, this, recently, before coming here, one of my students, Çyämasundara, he took me from the airport on helicopter to my temple, and he spent one thousand pounds for that rascal thing. Unnecessarily. "Why you have spent unnecessarily?" No.

Çrédhara Mahäräja: What this mundane man?

 
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